Dear Doctor Who fandom
May. 3rd, 2009 07:27 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
The reccing comm concept is simple.
Step 1. People sign up to recommend stories they like. Because people have different tastes in fanfic, sometimes you'll like what they rec, and sometimes you won't.
Step 2. If you don't like what people recommend, you can sign up to recommend something yourself.
Please note that Step 2 is not "I'm going to whine about
three_settings or
calufrax oppressing me" on an anonymous meme.
Now, stop failing at step 2.
Thanks.
Step 1. People sign up to recommend stories they like. Because people have different tastes in fanfic, sometimes you'll like what they rec, and sometimes you won't.
Step 2. If you don't like what people recommend, you can sign up to recommend something yourself.
Please note that Step 2 is not "I'm going to whine about
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Now, stop failing at step 2.
Thanks.
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on 2009-05-03 11:38 pm (UTC)no subject
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on 2009-05-04 12:01 am (UTC)Shhh! Can't you tell this is a no-Earth-logic zone?
(And
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on 2009-05-04 12:03 am (UTC)But...if they...and the...with the thing and...okay, then!
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on 2009-05-03 11:44 pm (UTC)no subject
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on 2009-05-04 01:02 am (UTC)i know it reminded me that i'd meant to sign up to rec and just hadn't remembered, so hurrah for that?
also, i don't know what was up with the grudge anon(s) who were insisting that you reccing mostly ten/rose was some ultimate evil. it's not my thing but it's also not a surprise when someone comes on and says "i pretty much only read and write ten/rose" that their favourite fics are going to be... ten/rose.
i did understand when a few anons were "..." when you explained why you recced the fics you did here (http://community.livejournal.com/who_anon/5574.html?thread=24363718#t24363718), because it did come across a bit as "there's no good femmeslash and most boyslash is about people being suddenly gay for eachother and is unbelievable and to some extent inherently crack". i'm the anon who responded there in all-lower case wondering if you meant it the way it came across to me (shocking, i know). i saw that later you responded somewhere else by saying that you'd worded that poorly, which cheered me quite a bit (i still think "the loved verse" is seriously problematic, but that's a separate issue). er, if you were wondering what one anon's opinion might have been, at least.
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on 2009-05-04 01:48 am (UTC)IDK... I sort of feel like fandom wants everyone to process and work through their privilege in public for everyone else to commentate on in real time, but I'm not sure how appropriate that is, or whether it should be a requirement in order to participate in fandom. It can sort of feel like a self-criticism meeting at times, with people who don't even e-know me let alone real-life know me.
Edited because: Oh god I'm wording things just terribly today. This is what happens when I get all flustered. That second paragraph has nothing to do with you, or what you said, just a general observation. Sigh. I am just going to get off the internets... like... forever.
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on 2009-05-04 03:21 am (UTC)The whofandom, by the way, has a nice amount of femslash that covers lots of genres and pairings, and I'd encourage you to give it a chance; I think what might have also rubbed people wrong was the way you seemed to normatize one (het) pairing and classify others as non-canon, when to multi-shippers and many fans, the one (het) pairing you normatize isn't actually canon, so many of these other pairings are just as potentially canonical as the one you favour (I thought Rose had amazing chemistry with a lot of the girls she met on her travels, for instance!) And when your comment seemed to marginalize all slash and femslash in favour of the het pairing, and only describe squicky language as belonging to those two genres (since there's much less explicit femslash than explicit het out there, I actually find the ratio of "oh god, no" way better in favour of femslash, especially since it rarely contains throbbing manhoods and the like), it starts to feel really problematic, and I don't blame people for wanting to express that (as I am here, obviously). I don't know if working through your privilege in public is a fandom requirement, but I do think that it's easier to avoid having to do that if some potentially ugly opinions aren't held out on display. I know I sympathize with
Sorry to intrude like this, but I spent a lot of time thinking about this and decided I'd feel better if I just said it, rather than meanly thinking it behind your back, or something. I don't know.
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on 2009-05-04 03:50 am (UTC)It's not really even a matter of me giving femslash "a chance" because I've never *not* given it a chance. To me it's another genre and my same standards of well-written, nicely characterised, emotionally real and resonate apply to it as well. And to m/m slash as well.
I screwed up, big time. I imagine I'm going to be feeling the depth of my screw-up for some time to come.
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on 2009-05-04 03:55 am (UTC)Your comments since that one comment have been thoughtful and responsive, and I hope people will take the time to see that and react appropriately (though I think if they still want to discuss some of the broader issues brought up, they probably will). Best of luck. I know it sucks when you feel like you're in too deep/in the shit; for what it's worth, which I know isn't much, but I think you've done a good job since.
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on 2009-05-04 04:03 am (UTC)Ironically enough, my comment above was posted prematurely by me hitting return in some weird way that told LJ to post, and I was mid-edit when I saw your reply. I didn't intend to use my Sooper Shippy Icon either. *sigh* Just one of those days. But thank you for expressing your feelings, and doing so unanon and personally with me. I certainly appreciate everyone who legitimately wanted to have a discussion rather than shouting match.
Sometimes fandom feels like a minefield. Sometimes it feels like a drug. And pretty much all the time I'm certain that I don't know what I'm doing either which way.
*jumping in*
on 2009-05-04 08:26 am (UTC)Re: *jumping in*
on 2009-05-04 02:59 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2009-05-04 12:33 am (UTC)I reiterate my continued annoyance with the anonmeme. I know, I know, there's socially redeeming stuff there, okay, but it seems to me to be where too many bitter people say nasty things about others.
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on 2009-05-04 03:57 am (UTC)If folks aren't gonna volunteer to rec, then they got no bitch when the only person willing to step up isn't playing by all the comm rules.
I'm kinda glad I'm not following that comm, now.
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on 2009-05-04 05:24 am (UTC)See, that's what makes me really sad. It's a great concept and a fun comm -- and I've read some things that I wouldn't have through recs there. Also, reccing and knowing that I want to stretch outside my usual comfort zone for things that are well written has been entertaining for me as well. It pisses me off that one person's random bitching has cast aspersions on that. You're not the only one, I'm sure.
I'm not going to be all high and mighty and suggest that I have never engaged in fandom bitching ... but I do it either (1) directly with the person I have a beef with or (2) behind a friends-lock. Maybe that makes me as cowardly as those I'm criticizing, but at least the people on my filter have some knowledge of me and context for my random bitching.
ETA: Please know that rant wasn't directed at you. :)
ETA #2: If folks aren't gonna volunteer to rec, then they got no bitch when the only person willing to step up isn't playing by all the comm rules.
We're all assuming that the OP doesn't rec, and I suppose we don't have confirmation. Again, this is part of my beef with anonymous posting.
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on 2009-05-04 02:20 pm (UTC)Then I go to a parenting LJ and fandom seems tame again.
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